i went to get a facial and these are the products she reccomended afterwards and i bought them. kinda pricey approximately $23 a bottle. i bought the cleaner and the toner. just wondered if anybody had even heard of them. you have to use them differently than normal cleaner. you have to put it on and then use a cotton ball saturated in warm water to take it off till there is no soil or makeup on the cotton ball. you apply the toner with a cotton ball dipped in warm water and pat it over your face. i'll see if it works. she told me that i need to get my face on a routine and stick to it and give the product time. i was like duh lady i have been doing that for a year and a half.